NH OUTLOOK ROUNDTABLE EDITION, Friday, 5/17/2002
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Hello, I'm Allison McNair. Welcome, to this special edition of New Hampshire Outlook.
What was inside the minds of two teenage killers? How could this crime have happened in a civil society? Are there lessons to be learned?
Joining me in the studio: NH Associate Attorney General Kelly Ayotte, who interviewed James Parker and was the lead prosecutor in the case. Senior Assistant Attorney General Michael Delaney, and child psychiatrist Dr. Joffree Barnett,
First of all, what were your initial reactions to the transcripts?
You all agreed to this interview because you thought it important to talk about this case. why?
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One of the things we often hear about killers of any age is their isolation.
The two boys had friends, but started to withdraw.
In one passage, Parkers says, quote:
".we started thinking about illegal activites and we couldn't really share that with other people, because we didn't want to have like too many people in our circle of crime."
".we couldn't really talk about what was going on in our lives with them. we could do stuff with them, but. we always felt like, you know because we had a goal of getting a certain amount of money for travel."
".so we always felt like we should be working on that and not fooling around and playing and stuff."
Both Tulloch and Parker appeared to be of above average intelligence. Tulloch was even president of his class. But, Kelly, you ask him:
KA: "What is it that you thought at the time, you thought made you better than other people."
JP: ".we were smarter than everybody else. people didn't see things the way that we did. We thought you know what everbybody was doing was silly. Like going to school and like wasting half your life with education that you're not even going to use."
Parker says he and Tulloch spent a lot of time planning how to rob people of their A-T-M pins to get enough money to go to Australia. It started with robbery, then escalated into violence. Tulloch placed two orders for stun guns. His mother confiscated the first delivery.
What do you make of that?
Soon after, Parker says something happened that changed their plans.
"We saw some older people parked along the side of the road and Robert suggested that um, we should ah, we should park the car and get out and like jump them."
". we didn't have any weapons with us, and we would like knock them out with rocks or even actually, you know, he developed into you know him talking about us killing them with the rocks."
".and ah we would you know take their money and um, we would just take off."
"I think this is an important event because it was the first time or one of the first times that he started talking about actually killing people to get their money."
". I was driving and I didn't stop because I thought it was a terrible idea."
The details of the Zantop murders are horrific and very disturbing.
Tulloh attacked Mr. Zantop. Parker slit Mrs. Zantop's throat.
Then Parker describes how Tulloch stabbed the victims in the head.
Parker says of Tulloch:
"I remember him talking about why he was stabbing her in the head, he said he went animal. I guess it was kind of instinctual."
After the killings, Parker says he and Tulloch talked about what they were going to do next. How their plan didn't work. They even drove to a bookstore in Burlington and looked at a book about how soldiers are able to kill people.
He said: "We were just really scared about you know, how you know we killed somebody and we hadn't gotten anything out of it, and you know. I had basically decided that this is not the way I want to make money, killing people."
Parker Interview Transcript\ ".we started thinking about illegal activites and we couldn't really share that with other people, because we didn't want to have like too many people in our circle of crime."
Parker Interview Transcript\ ".we couldn't really talk about what was going on in our lives with them. we could do stuff with them, but. we always felt like, you know because we had a goal of getting a certain amount of money for travel."
Parker Interview Transcript\ ".so we always felt like we should be working on that and not fooling around and playing and stuff."
Parker Interview Transcript\KA: "What is it that you thought at the time, you thought made you better than other people."
Parker Interview Transcript\JP: ".we were smarter than everybody else. people didn't see things the way that we did. We thought you know what everbybody was doing was silly. Like going to school and like wasting half your life with education that you're not even going to use."
Parker Interview Transcript\"We saw some older people parked along the side of the road and Robert suggested that um, we should ah, we should park the car and get out and like jump them."
Parker Interview Transcript\". we didn't have any weapons with us, and we would like knock them out with rocks or even actually, you know, he developed into you know him talking about us killing them with the rocks."
Parker Interview Transcript\".and ah we would you know take their money and um, we would just take off."
Parker Interview Transcript\"I think this is an important event because it was the first time or one of the first times that he started talking about actually killing people to get their money."
Parker Interview Transcript\". I was driving and I didn't stop because I thought it was a terrible idea."
Parker Interview Transcript\"I remember him talking about why he was stabbing her in the head, he said he went animal. I guess it was kind of instinctual."
Parker Interview Transcript\"We were just really scared about you know, how you know we killed somebody and we hadn't gotten anything out of it, and you know. I had basically decided that this is not the way I want to make money, killing people."
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That's all for this edition of Outlook. Thanks for joining us.
For all of us here at New Hampshire Public Television, I'm Allison McNair.
We'll be back Monday at 10.
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